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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have an

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interesting show for you this evening

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this is a pre-recorded show because of

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time zones I have Colin Sanders on and

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he's going to be talking about a 1999

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triangle uh UFO sighting and basically

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the aftermath of that it's it's a good

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one and uh I want to thank everyone that

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helps support the show anyone can do

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that that information is over at podcast

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ufo.com and while you're there we have

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this week's blog is the mystery of the

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Marfa lights by Charles Lear check that

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out and without any further Ado I'm

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bringing in our guests Colin

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Colin welcome to the show

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thank you very much and thank you for

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inviting me onto your show Martin

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yes it's great um I read through a

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little bit of your book and it's uh it's

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quite quite exciting you had there uh

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first of all let's talk about uh before

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this uh what was your before you had

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this sighting what were your thoughts on

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the UFO subject did you pay any

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attention to it at all

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I know just uh passing interest like

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most people I had no great interest in

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UFOs or the UFO subject itself

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um I think like every young man at the

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time I went to see Star Wars at the

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cinema when it came out I really enjoyed

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that but as far as chasing UFO

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phenomenon now I was not involved

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whatsoever so that night was a complete

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shot shock to me just came out of the

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it's really something because uh how

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different people react

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um to having a sighting I I know some

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people that they just like oh yeah that

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was yeah that was interesting and then

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just move on and then other people like

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myself and yourself do a little more

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about it a little deeper dive into it

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that's why I do this show after I had

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after I had my single sighting basically

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um and but it is interesting how some

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people have no reaction at all about

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something spectacular like this with no

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explanation

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that's right and um part of my um

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reaction to this phenomenon in the UFO

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is my background about the engineering

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background I was involved in prior to

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the um the sighting I have worked in the

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aircraft industry I worked on the Airbus

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in um Germany in Hamburg

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uh spent a year over there and spent a

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couple of years in Sweden as well

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working for sarbe space on the civilian

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aircraft so by train I'm a draftsman

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um electrical avionics design draftsman

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so I've had quite an interesting working

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career and like I say part of that has

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industry so on the night of the

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encounter I knew straight away this was

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not one of one of ours and then you

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astronomical it was almost like meeting

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experience and so close as well and I

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think my background obviously made me a

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seeing that night

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yeah so why don't you check this was in

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that's that's correct 31st of March

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1999. why don't you go over exactly what

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the it happened that night

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okay well we've been out to celebrate my

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mother-in-law's birthday she was 72 that

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the back of the car with my daughter

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um there was another party involved as

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house in the countryside to a village

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encounter so we we left the pub and I

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remember as we pulled off the the other

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um they were trying to get really into

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the vehicle so they were struggling a

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little bit so we pulled up in front but

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road the brightest Lights I've ever seen

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distance is like I mean this it was so

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it was like Star Trek you know when The

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Crafty cloaks it just de cloaked into a

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metallic structure right in front of our

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eyes and formed around the lights

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cricket ball it was so close

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a hallway that revealed the surface the

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like it looked like liquid Merk blowing

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into my mind the first one was aliens

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exist the second one was abductions take

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anomalies like the pyramids and things

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sensible she pulled forward in the car

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to reverse into a Gateway which is more

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or less underneath this triangle but as

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gonna go now so we reversed into the

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gateway jumped out of the car and it had

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gone but it was deadly silent you could

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have a pin drop now as he stood there

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and looked around in the distance I

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could see another craft disappearing

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with four big red lights at the back

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football pitch it was just gliding away

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and I have to say that's the biggest

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flying craft I've ever seen

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in my original report to a guy called

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small craft had changed and morphed into

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a large craft

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knew nothing about UFOs

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the large one going away must have been

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what they call a mother Mothership maybe

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the small one had gone back to it

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and as we stood down there have been

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nothing no other airplanes no cars then

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all of a sudden like traffic starts up

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again and there's planes back in the sky

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and it's back to normal it's not a busy

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road at the best of times but during the

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the encounter there was no one at all

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and in fact when we got back home to

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drop the Mother-in-law off

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um the second vehicle was already there

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the house so somehow they passed us

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lights as well or the craft itself

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but basically that that's what happened

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on the night which was absolutely

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incredible and I've seen so much deep

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craft as well you know the lights on the

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back have got crisscross the line on

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them I remember staring at one of them

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and it looked like the lines were

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um from a laser laser Source rather than

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being active to Glass the rear red

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interference

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now you can see on the model the lines

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in relief on the bottom now we never saw

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the bottom at any point

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but that gentleman Omar Fowler sent me

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some reports from Belgium now in the

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Belgium reports

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the Reliance on relief I've seen that

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we'd seen them on the surface and it

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made sense to me that the Belgium

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sighting must have been the bottom of

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the same craft that we've seen

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so I used the Belgium sighting to create

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the bottom of the craft and I use our

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own sighting to create the top of the

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craft

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but we never saw the bottom of the crap

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so it could have been just flat smooth

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for for all we know but I'm sort of like

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extrapolating that information from the

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Belgium site in onto um

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onto our craft

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yeah sorry was there any possibility

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that the craft you saw after you got out

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of the car at a distance could be the

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same craft relocated instantly

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the craft in front of us it was a like

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an equal actual triangle and the back of

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it was probably own only like um 100

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meters no maybe less than 75 meters wide

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to be far more extended so you've got

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like long Wings coming up and then all

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of a sudden you've got like a piece at

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the back where the four red lights were

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situated so it was more like a thing

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long with where our little graph that

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came down to us you know it was quite a

283
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short distance from the end of the week

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to the to the craft itself so um no I

285
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don't think it was the same craft at all

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I think it was two two different craft

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and we will never really know about the

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large craft but the small craft yeah I

289
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mean there was so much detail that I

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took in at the time

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and um

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so if you want me to carry on I decided

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once I got back I'd withdraw it and my

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daughter did some drawings I did my

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drawings

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and as I've been announcement all of my

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life it seemed obvious I needed to draw

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it first but then I got the idea to

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actually make a model

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so this is the first model that I

301
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produced this is made from bolster wood

302
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and Plywood And Dowling the actual um

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surface pictures

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and then glue them onto this craft and

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then I bought some LEDs put a switch on

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which I think still works there we go I

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made this

308
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long after the cycling there's the the

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underneath showing the the Belgium

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sighting

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and more important is the central white

312
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core now these lines on the surface here

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they're not raised I couldn't produce

314
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that on this particular model

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but it was important for me to do that

316
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and that's where the um the next models

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could come in into the equation

318
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many years later a friend of mine

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who knew about my sighting it was not

320
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necessarily into UFOs but um it bought a

321
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3D printer and he came around and see me

322
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said I want to make a copy of your um

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UFO if you don't mind I thought great so

324
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at last we can put these lines on the

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surface in 3D where they need to be

326
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so this was the first Model that he

327
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produced it's a little handheld tiny

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model you can see the lines on the

329
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surface standing proud on this one which

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we could do with the um the smaller one

331
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um

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so it cost him quite a bit he never

333
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charged me anything for this making of

334
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this craft

335
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but um

336
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what I said to him was it's brilliant

337
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but what we've not got is the silver

338
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beams on the liquid surface and says is

339
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there any way we could produce that and

340
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he says yes but it's going to be costly

341
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so I came up with the idea that sounding

342
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some of these smaller models on them a

343
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well-known auction site

344
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all the profit went to my mate John John

345
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Mills the guy who's been building the

346
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models until we've built up enough funds

347
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and that's when

348
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um

349
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this is the one that we see here today

350
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now this is the one that's got the

351
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liquid looking surface on on there and

352
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the beams actually raised up off in 3D

353
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so this this is such an accurate

354
00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:38,660
representation of what we saw that night

355
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and also a central y core that the top

356
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and bottom joined onto

357
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now that's important we'll get to that

358
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little bit

359
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in a while because

360
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there was a bit of um

361
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hi strangers about the encounter as well

362
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which um which we'll talk about as we go

363
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along

364
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so um

365
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yeah once I got the larger model made I

366
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decided to um go to a conference in the

367
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UK I hadn't been to one for a long time

368
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I did a presentation there told

369
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everybody about exciting and a couple of

370
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guys came up to the kinsella twins not

371
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very nice gentleman and suggested that I

372
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write a book

373
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and I'd thought about that but um in the

374
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past but never really done anything

375
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about it and once they suggested that to

376
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me

377
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and I wrote a book

378
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and and what type of researcher what

379
00:14:38,569 --> 00:14:35,579
what is the is the book about your

380
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single sighting or it's about triangles

381
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and and uh the UK

382
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it's about a triangles in the UK it's a

383
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mixture of both basically I I wanted to

384
00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:48,839
tell my story and put it down in writing

385
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forever in the book

386
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:53,399
um now over the years I've got involved

387
00:14:58,009 --> 00:14:55,680
with UFO groups and I've had articles

388
00:15:00,889 --> 00:14:58,019
publishing news local newspapers I've

389
00:15:02,689 --> 00:15:00,899
appeared on TV a few times as well

390
00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:02,699
and through that a lot of people have

391
00:15:06,650 --> 00:15:04,260
contacted me people who have had

392
00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:06,660
encounters it seems like a lot of people

393
00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:09,300
need to talk to me because you give us

394
00:15:11,689 --> 00:15:10,500
count something when you talk to

395
00:15:14,569 --> 00:15:11,699
somebody who's had the same experience

396
00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:14,579
you can share your thoughts and Views

397
00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:16,860
but you try and tell somebody who's had

398
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,420
not had a UFO experience that you've got

399
00:15:20,689 --> 00:15:19,680
a close encounter and they can think

400
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,699
you're a bit

401
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:23,040
a bit crazy so I had a lot of people

402
00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:24,600
sending me information and telling me

403
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about their own sightings which I

404
00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:27,959
thought was absolutely fantastic

405
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,740
so I saved all of those up and then when

406
00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:33,600
I came to write the book

407
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I put in a lot of the local sightings

408
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,399
from my own town and all of my own

409
00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:40,800
information but there wasn't enough to

410
00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:42,660
fill a book I mean I'd only got up to

411
00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:44,220
about ten thousand words at that point

412
00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:46,740
and I needed to try and get 70 000 words

413
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to get a decent sized book so I decided

414
00:15:53,930 --> 00:15:51,899
to drag in all of those accounts that

415
00:15:56,810 --> 00:15:53,940
people had sent to me over the years

416
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:56,820
and also to reach out on them social

417
00:16:01,009 --> 00:15:59,279
media to get some new accounts as well

418
00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:01,019
from people on triangles and the

419
00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:03,000
response was fantastic you know

420
00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:05,820
in the book I've got over 130 different

421
00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:08,699
close encounter sightings from people a

422
00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:10,260
lot of them are very short stories you

423
00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:12,120
know they don't last very long but

424
00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:13,500
there's information to be gained from

425
00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:16,019
every story that's on there the 130

426
00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:18,540
accounts so the book is packed with

427
00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:20,339
information

428
00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:21,899
um it does obviously talk about my own

429
00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:23,339
side of him

430
00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:25,380
and also um

431
00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:28,260
I believe there is a connection between

432
00:16:34,009 --> 00:16:31,380
UFOs and the Paranormal

433
00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:34,019
um well I know there was a connection so

434
00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:36,060
there was a whole section in the book on

435
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,040
the connection between paranormal and

436
00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:40,560
UFOs because as people were sending me

437
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:41,820
the new

438
00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,480
um

439
00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:44,339
sightings through and people I was in

440
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,500
contact with from the past I was asking

441
00:16:50,689 --> 00:16:48,240
them if there's any other encounters or

442
00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:50,699
any other paranormal experiences now

443
00:16:55,009 --> 00:16:52,980
more people were saying yes than saying

444
00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:55,019
no so it seemed logical to have a

445
00:17:00,170 --> 00:16:57,300
complete section on on paranormal

446
00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:00,180
experiences that alongside the UFOs

447
00:17:04,669 --> 00:17:02,579
and also touch a little bit on alien

448
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:04,679
telepathy in there as well

449
00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:07,439
but all of it as weird as it all is it's

450
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:09,419
just I keep saying this it's a science

451
00:17:13,870 --> 00:17:10,740
but it's a science we don't understand

452
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:13,880
yet it's not magic it's not black magic

453
00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:16,799
you know it is a proper science but it's

454
00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:19,140
beyond our capability at the moment

455
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:21,540
yeah I mean can you imagine if there was

456
00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:24,120
like a government official

457
00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:26,520
that was uh stating this at the same

458
00:17:31,549 --> 00:17:28,380
time as you did you know I mean things

459
00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:31,559
would have moved along a lot quicker

460
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,480
than they you would imagine they would

461
00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:35,520
anyway

462
00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:37,500
um speaking of other people citing it

463
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,740
had anyone else in the entire area seen

464
00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:43,200
anything that night beside you your

465
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:45,480
family nobody at all now we checked I

466
00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:47,880
found the airports uh we went and

467
00:17:52,610 --> 00:17:50,940
knocked on the door the local um Farm

468
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,620
which is quite Brave it was the closest

469
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:54,960
building to to where the sighting took

470
00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:57,419
place but no nobody had seen anything at

471
00:18:00,890 --> 00:17:59,400
all it was just just the four of us and

472
00:18:02,270 --> 00:18:00,900
I have to say the next day when I got up

473
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,280
I found that surprising I thought

474
00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:05,280
everybody would know it and um it was

475
00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:07,080
April the first as well April Fool's Day

476
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,940
the next day so that made my job a

477
00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:10,320
little bit more difficult trying to tell

478
00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:12,120
everybody what we'd seen the night

479
00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:13,799
before but I couldn't help myself

480
00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:16,020
yeah I have to say it's been accepted

481
00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:18,179
really well you know

482
00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:20,039
oh and what about

483
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:20,700
um

484
00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:23,760
you said that your uh extended family

485
00:18:27,289 --> 00:18:26,520
was driving should have been driving by

486
00:18:33,289 --> 00:18:27,299
you

487
00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:33,299
mother-in-laws or whatever home uh

488
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:34,740
before you

489
00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:38,160
yes now but it's a bit older didn't see

490
00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:39,960
us to be honest I mean we did reverse

491
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,780
into a gateway gateway but I'm sure they

492
00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:45,120
would have seen us if they'd pass by

493
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,740
and the reason I mention it is because

494
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:49,440
like the next day I went back down to

495
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:51,240
have a look at where we'd seen the craft

496
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,799
and

497
00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:54,840
to drive back through from where we

498
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,700
turned the corner on the fast way

499
00:19:00,830 --> 00:18:59,280
now when I turned on to the fast way I

500
00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:00,840
thought to myself how could we have seen

501
00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:02,700
it being so low down because there was

502
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,200
like some trees and hedges and things

503
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,240
blocking our view from half a mile away

504
00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:09,120
but on the night it was just absolutely

505
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:11,820
there and clear

506
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,940
now my wife who didn't see the craft

507
00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:16,620
because she was driving and she just

508
00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:19,020
kept her eyes on she saw the lights but

509
00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,280
kept her eyes on the road and being

510
00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:23,580
sensible and we bursted into the gateway

511
00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:25,080
she went and picked a friend of ours up

512
00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:27,299
from the airport a few days later to a

513
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,919
week later and she drove back along the

514
00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:30,720
fast way to show her where we'd seen the

515
00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:32,340
the UFO

516
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:33,900
and when she came home and she says you

517
00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:35,880
know I think the scenery was different

518
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,799
that night I don't see how we could have

519
00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:39,120
seen it from where we turned the corner

520
00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:41,100
although we we had seen it

521
00:19:45,169 --> 00:19:43,860
so it's almost like we've got sort of

522
00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:45,179
dragged into another dimension or

523
00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:47,100
something for a brief moment of time

524
00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:48,840
it's probably not probably may just be

525
00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:51,059
our imaginations I don't know but the

526
00:19:54,529 --> 00:19:52,380
fact that it the scenery looked

527
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,539
different and the second vehicle got

528
00:19:59,210 --> 00:19:57,120
home before was it's all very intriguing

529
00:20:01,010 --> 00:19:59,220
I have to say I don't think we'll ever

530
00:20:03,310 --> 00:20:01,020
know the the answers on that

531
00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:03,320
now when you're talking about this thing

532
00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:05,880
appeared to be cloaking and then you saw

533
00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:09,059
it appear right in front of your eyes uh

534
00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:12,120
was it all at once was it like an even

535
00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:15,179
type of appearance or what did it start

536
00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:17,580
at one end and move to another that type

537
00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:25,370
um yeah it's difficult to say it sort of

538
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:26,520
looked as though

539
00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:29,640
initially this guy started to Ripple

540
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,260
and I guess you could have said at that

541
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,080
point it was like a transparent

542
00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:36,960
perspex box around the lights but it was

543
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,820
only briefly very quick

544
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:41,039
as soon as I realized it was solid it

545
00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:42,660
was becoming solid it was in an instant

546
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:45,299
you know it was like one sound and it

547
00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:47,640
changed from being just light to being a

548
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:50,520
solid Craft

549
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,620
um so whilst we're on this this subject

550
00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:53,760
I mean

551
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:55,799
there was a little bit more to it so I'm

552
00:21:01,930 --> 00:20:58,260
I'm going to tell you that now

553
00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:05,630
and so far that's what I've done but the

554
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,460
Paranormal side the weird side on the

555
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,320
night when the craft tilted up in the

556
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:13,200
air and was looking at the surface

557
00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:15,419
all of a sudden it was like they've got

558
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,679
a pair of binoculars and put them under

559
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:17,760
my eyes

560
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,460
and the craft was right in front of me I

561
00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:22,679
could see the interlocking lines on the

562
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:24,780
surface that was the first image then I

563
00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,580
had another image a second image which

564
00:21:31,549 --> 00:21:29,100
was the nose now the nose was right in

565
00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:31,559
front of me that's a big round nose it

566
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:33,419
was beautifully manufactured but it was

567
00:21:36,770 --> 00:21:35,340
so close I couldn't see the lines on the

568
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:36,780
surface anymore because all I could see

569
00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:39,000
was a nose and then there was a third

570
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,900
View

571
00:21:45,049 --> 00:21:42,299
now the third view was the central white

572
00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:45,059
core down the middle of the craft where

573
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,340
you can see the top gray section in the

574
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:48,960
bottom gray section joined to the

575
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:51,840
central core and the top and the bottom

576
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:53,580
they rolled over you can see the core

577
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:54,900
there at the moment the white cord the

578
00:21:59,210 --> 00:21:56,520
top and the bottom rolled over like a

579
00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:59,220
hovercraft skin or the edge of a pie but

580
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,840
where they joined onto the white there

581
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:03,000
was no nuts and bolts no rivets no

582
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:05,100
welding no seams whatsoever it was just

583
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:06,600
absolutely amazing how it been put

584
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:07,620
together

585
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:09,000
then the next thing I remember was

586
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,620
saying stop stop I want to get out and

587
00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:12,480
get out I wanted to get on board me and

588
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:14,600
the Mother-in-law wanted to get on board

589
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:17,159
now the next day I'm thinking about

590
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,860
these three close-up views I mean what

591
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,659
was that all about and I decided I'd had

592
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:23,760
a out-of-body experience

593
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,799
and and that was just like incredible

594
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:27,900
I'd gone from been an engineer in

595
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,580
draftsman dealing with nuts and bolts

596
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,440
all of a sudden having an encounter with

597
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:33,960
the UFO and assuming I've had a outer

598
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,120
body experience as well

599
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,159
now in the UK we used to have some

600
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,260
fantastic UFO conferences

601
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,659
um in a town called Leeds that used to

602
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,400
be run by a guy called Graham Birdsall

603
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:46,559
who's passed away now and unfortunately

604
00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:48,900
the UFO magazine and the conferences

605
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,940
sort of disappeared with him

606
00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:52,980
but I went to quite a few of those and

607
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:54,539
they got quite big in the end and I

608
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,740
actually got to meet a lot of

609
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,419
interesting people like Stanton Freeman

610
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:00,179
and Dr Roger near but more importantly I

611
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,059
met um Bud Hopkins the late Bud Hopkins

612
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:06,000
oh yeah and um I had a very short

613
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:08,940
conversation with him I told him about

614
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,440
the craft

615
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,240
closing up in front of us and then the

616
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:14,400
three close-up views that I had I told

617
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,780
them I thought I'd an outer body

618
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,100
experience

619
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,440
and he said to me no no not an antibody

620
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:21,299
experience they were images placed in

621
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:23,220
your mind by the aliens

622
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:24,840
but that as much as he could say because

623
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:27,059
then somebody put it in this lady had

624
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:28,740
got a crystal that she found at a UFO

625
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:30,600
site she wanted to talk to Bob and Bob

626
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:33,059
talked to her and that was my 30 seconds

627
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:34,980
over and done with uh

628
00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:36,539
so

629
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:38,580
I'll bear that in mind that what Bob

630
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:41,460
said but I couldn't figure out how that

631
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:43,860
would have occurred but that was like 20

632
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,880
years ago now more recently I've

633
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,740
listened to a lot of David Jacob stuff

634
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,419
where he's interviewed a lot of

635
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:55,200
abductees and alien telepathy comes into

636
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:58,020
the equation all the time now I'd assume

637
00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:59,940
that telepathy would be voices in your

638
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,100
head and you'd put a voice back but as

639
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,860
David Jacobs says sometimes images are

640
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,480
placed into people's heads you know

641
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:08,400
because an image a picture can paint a

642
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:10,020
thousand words so it would make sense

643
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,020
swapping images rather than talking

644
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,880
I mean when I show audiences the model

645
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:17,159
it's a lot better than just talking

646
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,020
about what I've seen it's a lot better

647
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:22,140
to show them something tangible

648
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,460
so then

649
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:25,380
out of the blue I'll get an email from a

650
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:26,700
guy in America he's never been in touch

651
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:28,740
with mufon or anybody like that and he

652
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,380
didn't want his name and he had a close

653
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,360
encounter with a triangle and he started

654
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,220
his email a lot by saying just like you

655
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:37,679
I had three images placed in My Mind by

656
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:42,950
um we say that because the craft looked

657
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:44,220
like it was organic to be honest even

658
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,200
though it was clearly manufactured now

659
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:47,760
he had three close views he said some

660
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,100
pipe work on the outside and a light in

661
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:52,320
between the V and

662
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:55,559
an internal view of the craft as well

663
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,940
and I thought

664
00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:59,520
well just like me and it was like a

665
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:01,799
Eureka moment all of a sudden it made

666
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:03,900
sense it wasn't an out-of-body

667
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,419
experience it was more likely three

668
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:08,400
images placed into my mind

669
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:10,440
by either the aliens on the craft or

670
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,880
like I say the craft itself because the

671
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,919
craft looked like it was organic and

672
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,120
then they had to ask myself why would

673
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:17,580
they do that and I guess it's just so I

674
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:20,039
could build the models and get to this

675
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:21,240
point in time where I've written the

676
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,440
book because without those close

677
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:24,000
viewings I could not build the scale

678
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:25,740
model I wouldn't from where we were

679
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,760
sitting in the car you wouldn't have

680
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,740
been able to see the side view you

681
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:29,760
wouldn't have been able to have the top

682
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:31,080
and bottom were rolled onto the central

683
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:32,100
core

684
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,960
you'd only see the rear end of it and

685
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:36,240
the the top top view of it as it rose up

686
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,620
in the air

687
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,419
so

688
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:42,240
as if that wasn't strange enough I think

689
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,820
then over the next 18 months or two

690
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,320
years I started having paranormal

691
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,260
experiences lights in the sky

692
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,659
um an invisible creature down at the

693
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:52,799
riverbank

694
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:55,380
all sorts of things and I was having so

695
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,559
many I kept a list of them all and um in

696
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
the days and then they sort of the calm

697
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,880
down over the years like nothing really

698
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,740
happens fantastically anymore like I did

699
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,240
in the early days

700
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,679
but I remember having one experience

701
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:09,419
when I was at the river with some

702
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,860
invisible

703
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:12,059
whatever it was there were four

704
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,740
footsteps walking towards me and walk

705
00:26:18,669 --> 00:26:15,480
walked in front of me I mean he's

706
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,679
probably called it a ghost or something

707
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:20,400
logically because I'm a logical

708
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,140
management engineer

709
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,600
why is this occurring well it's only

710
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,880
happened since the UFO

711
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,980
so and about nothing prior to that

712
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:30,419
nothing for the first 40 years of my

713
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:33,860
life I'm now 65 that's 64 sorry

714
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,260
65. and I've only had experiences after

715
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:39,480
the close encounter with the UFO

716
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,179
so it made sense then that was the day I

717
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,760
decided the UFO was inter-dimensional it

718
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,620
was coming from a parallel world it was

719
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:48,179
wasn't coming from outer space it's not

720
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,260
traveled here because I wouldn't be

721
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,480
having these other experiences

722
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:53,760
so

723
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,700
yeah and that that was one of the things

724
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,320
I was going to ask you what your

725
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,440
thoughts were on the way it appeared

726
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:04,140
um you know it it you know kind of

727
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:05,820
sounds like something that could be from

728
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,220
another dimension you know I mean

729
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,039
the reason I say things like this is no

730
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,500
one really knows at this point for sure

731
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,559
about anything and you know the the

732
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,020
Visions you had uh where they could come

733
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:21,900
from there whatever it is it's alien to

734
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:22,740
us

735
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:26,100
you know it seems to be

736
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,020
yeah I mean what I would say is though

737
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:30,299
the the craft it was beautiful

738
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,279
absolutely amazing I mean the way it had

739
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,799
been manufactured and there was no

740
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,960
no marks on it nowhere and tear this

741
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,760
thing hasn't come through burn through

742
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,380
the atmosphere to get here

743
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,720
you know it just looks like a hot across

744
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,919
something to another

745
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:46,320
it was totally silent and there was no

746
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:47,940
smell of any Aviation fuels or anything

747
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:51,000
along those lines and it's movement

748
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,500
that was one of the things I noticed

749
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,539
once I started researching after the

750
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:56,159
after the encounter I got onto the

751
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:57,419
internet obviously and started finding

752
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,460
other people had seen triangles

753
00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,840
one of the interesting things that

754
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:02,580
people were saying is that it floats

755
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,159
it's fluid it Glides it doesn't move

756
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:07,260
like a heavier jump jet does it in real

757
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,700
time you know when that's hovering and

758
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:10,860
you see it move these things look like

759
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,539
the the Close Quarters look like they're

760
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,820
underwater I'm assuming that is like

761
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,740
something to do with the an anti-gravity

762
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,799
system that they're using to

763
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,760
propel The Craft

764
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,900
yeah

765
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:24,360
and I have another theory as well on

766
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:25,380
that actually

767
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,100
um

768
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,320
the beams on the surface

769
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,200
a friend of mine sent me a a video from

770
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,779
an engineer who got a piece of metal

771
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,480
and the um cooled it down in liquid

772
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:39,240
nitrogen to zero degrees Kelvin made it

773
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:41,159
into a super conductor and then just got

774
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,320
it to hover in space just hovering a

775
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:45,779
magnetic field it just sits there and

776
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:48,120
and Vapor comes off it

777
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,779
so came up with this Theory you see the

778
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,700
liquid on the surface of the craft that

779
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,260
could be something like liquid nitrogen

780
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,960
that's trapped in a transparent skin the

781
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:59,880
beams the silver beams on top are

782
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,500
actually twice as thick as what's shown

783
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,480
there and they go down into the liquid

784
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,120
all those beams on Surface would then be

785
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,760
super cooled they've all become

786
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,900
superconductors and once you get

787
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,279
superconductors you get quantum

788
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:12,480
levitation

789
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,559
you get vaporization now as a craft

790
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:19,080
materialize the bottom two nearest wing

791
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,299
tips towards us they're a little fluffy

792
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,220
white clouds on each corner it looks

793
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:25,860
absolutely amazing as it materialized

794
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,140
that would be because the craft was so

795
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,260
cold and with our air was causing

796
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,539
cause causing vaporization on the wing

797
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:35,520
tips so

798
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:37,080
I don't know if it's right or not but

799
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:38,820
that's one Theory I've got on how it

800
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:41,820
would perhaps create lift and roll and

801
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,460
that sort of thing by using the that

802
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,740
sort of technique

803
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:49,440
yeah and then I thought that if it's

804
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,000
using anti-gravity would it be coming

805
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,640
from a thousand million light years away

806
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,919
or would it be coming across a dimension

807
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:57,299
because you're going to need gravity you

808
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,100
know once you're out in space after you

809
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:00,480
need a planet to have gravity to make

810
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,620
these crap

811
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:04,140
work so is that another pointer to it

812
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,640
being dimensional rather than

813
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:07,799
extraterrestrial

814
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:12,419
hmm are are things to ponder you know

815
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,100
um one of the

816
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,380
things when you're talking about how you

817
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,659
had other paranormal experiences

818
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:20,760
afterwards and it kind of makes me

819
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,899
wonder if

820
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:24,360
you know the the sightings sometimes

821
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,980
will open your mind to more things

822
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:30,960
um because you're exploring your your

823
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,200
mind is more open like what is this uh

824
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,960
you know I wonder if if somehow that the

825
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,520
experience opens your mind to other

826
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,020
things

827
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,179
yes that's right so

828
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,700
for me definitely and maybe that's

829
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,340
because of my engineering background

830
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,799
so what was noticeable that the other

831
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,779
three occupants of the car didn't go on

832
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:53,640
to have any other paranormal experiences

833
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:55,860
like myself it was just me all the time

834
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,299
and I must admit I was looking out for

835
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,799
things I'd go out on the patio every

836
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,480
night and scan the sky and I would see

837
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:02,580
things occasionally

838
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:05,580
um just by going out there and looking

839
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,220
but not with the others so

840
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,260
I tried to figure logically why that

841
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,480
would be and I could only reason I put

842
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,919
that down to is because I was the only

843
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,140
one who had the close viewing on the

844
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,580
night you know when it Rose in front of

845
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,140
us it felt like somebody suddenly put

846
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,419
some binoculars in front of my eyes

847
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,279
I was the only one who had that

848
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:25,799
experience on the night and I'm the only

849
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,299
one who's gone on to have further

850
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:29,460
paranormal experiences since the

851
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:33,179
encounter so was that the trigger or is

852
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,679
it like you say just the fact that I

853
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,779
opened up my own mind to what I was

854
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,940
seeing I mean we don't know we've got to

855
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:40,320
keep an open mind on all of this it

856
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:41,700
sounds crazy they may not have been any

857
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:44,279
aliens on board it may have been just a

858
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:47,820
remote remotely uh flowing craft

859
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:49,380
it could be something to do with the

860
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:51,000
crossover Dimensions that can give you

861
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:53,159
close viewing of these objects it might

862
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:55,080
have nothing to do with aliens on board

863
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:56,760
whatsoever we just don't know we could

864
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,200
only try and guess at what these things

865
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,600
are but I can't say it was a very

866
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,159
strange night and

867
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:04,559
are Australians that went with it

868
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,380
would you be dare to say how close you

869
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:09,059
may have been to it

870
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,340
yeah like I say 100 feet is what I'm

871
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:13,440
estimating it to be wow that that's like

872
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:16,860
the quickest time yeah

873
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:24,409
now the interesting thing is when we

874
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,700
came upon the craft

875
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:28,740
it was an angle to the Earth it wasn't

876
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,059
level

877
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:33,120
like that it was tilted like this okay

878
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:35,940
now the reason I think it was tilted is

879
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:37,020
what I've tried to work out over the

880
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,700
years is because we're driving towards

881
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:40,380
it if you're looking at the underneath

882
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:41,940
of The Craft you get to see more of the

883
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,179
lights than if it's just straight and

884
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:47,460
parallel with the Earth like that well

885
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,840
as we were approaching there was no

886
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,460
craft it was just the lights until we

887
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,620
grew level with it but like I say it was

888
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,200
tilted at an angle like this so This the

889
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:56,640
lower wingtip

890
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:59,159
must have been um

891
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,779
must have been almost touching the

892
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,640
ground to be honest it must have been

893
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:04,500
just literally a couple of feet off the

894
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:05,940
ground

895
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:08,580
and like I say if it had tilted

896
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,659
if the craft are tilted from The Middle

897
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:14,340
as it rose up it would have struck the

898
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,720
ground it would hit the ground like that

899
00:33:20,769 --> 00:33:18,059
so the rear end stayed where it was and

900
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,779
the nose came up in the air like that

901
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:23,760
so I would say

902
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:26,519
the bottom right uh bottom right hand

903
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,140
wing tip as we looked at the rear of it

904
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,519
would have been almost touching the

905
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:30,899
ground and the other one probably would

906
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:31,740
only be

907
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:34,019
10 20 feet off the ground

908
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:35,940
it was incredible

909
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:38,820
when you went back the next day did you

910
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,640
walk over to where you thought it was

911
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,980
um above were you able to walk over to

912
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:45,600
that area

913
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,779
no there was a gate a lob gate and uh

914
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,460
horses in the field

915
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:52,320
ah it's interesting to know there was

916
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,580
horses in the field and there was a

917
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,440
stable so the the craft probably would

918
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,419
have been more or less over the stable I

919
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,980
would have said

920
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,899
but that whether it was coincidence or

921
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,100
not I don't know whether it was there

922
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,840
because you do hear a lot about animal

923
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,519
mutilations

924
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,980
but they to me it felt like it was more

925
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:09,359
of an ambush like they were waiting for

926
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,980
us the light show was incredible I think

927
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,020
we tilted the crack towards us to show

928
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:15,780
more lights and grab our attention

929
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,020
and I've got a good imagination I have

930
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,300
to say but I wonder if when we was

931
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:23,639
looking at the small one the large one

932
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:25,080
came over the top of us the one that

933
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:27,060
we've seen disappearing the trajectory

934
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,320
of where it was flying would have

935
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,839
brought it over the cup oh now the wife

936
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:32,940
when she drew a picture of what she saw

937
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:34,679
she Drew three red lights in the perfect

938
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,500
triangle there's absolutely no way we

939
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,300
could have seen that not from where we

940
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,520
were we saw the rear of The Craft on top

941
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,960
of the craft we never seen the leaf of

942
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,240
it at any point apart from when it was

943
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,879
tilted towards us at that point it was

944
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,440
mingled in with the red lights on the

945
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:51,480
back of the craft and white in there as

946
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:52,740
well which I'll soon would be the

947
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,359
central white core

948
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,220
now a few months later I asked her to

949
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,599
draw again the lights that she's seen

950
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:59,580
and again she Drew three red lights in a

951
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,020
perfect triangle

952
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:03,359
and I wondered if she saw the underneath

953
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,980
of the large Mother Ship coming over the

954
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:07,020
top of the car as the little one was

955
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,940
distracting us because by the time we'd

956
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,260
have reversed into the gateway and

957
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,060
jumped out then the large craft was

958
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:14,160
going away from us and it would sort of

959
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:17,339
fit in with the time period

960
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,740
but again we're just trying to guess at

961
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:22,079
what what his active talk plays there

962
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,079
now your daughter did you think your

963
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,960
daughter saw exactly what you saw

964
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:30,480
yes and the Mother-in-law

965
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,859
um my daughter drew the same sort of

966
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,540
pictures I mean mother-in-law talked

967
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,579
about a craft she said good is on the

968
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,720
surface

969
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:39,359
now when it comes to the Paranormal side

970
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,220
of things most people have written in

971
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:43,380
with their experiences who have had

972
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,420
paranormal experiences seem to have had

973
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,460
the Paranormal experiences prior to the

974
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:49,980
UFO like throughout the life of seeing

975
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,440
ghosts and things for me I had nothing

976
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,060
as I can remember

977
00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,609
experience here

978
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,410
I must have we would have got on board

979
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,240
with a chance we were so excited my wife

980
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,920
wasn't quite so excited my daughter was

981
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,839
a bit scared but we wanted to get out we

982
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
wanted to get on board

983
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,440
now over the next few

984
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:15,839
weeks the Mother-in-law anything to do

985
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,180
because

986
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,640
it's down to me to get my mother-in-law

987
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,040
became quite close as far as the UFOs

988
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:25,800
are concerned now she died unfortunately

989
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:29,579
during covid lockdown and um when they

990
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,380
cleaned out the the bedroom they found

991
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:33,839
all this paranormal literature and

992
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,220
they've given it to me like all these

993
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,980
paper cuttings and loads of stuff like

994
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:40,440
so it seems quite logical to me that the

995
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,660
mother-in-law has had

996
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,400
um paranormal experiences prior to the

997
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,099
UFO so that's an interesting interesting

998
00:36:52,329 --> 00:36:49,500
sort of point and and she was Keen to

999
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:52,339
get on board the same as myself

1000
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,020
so you really had you really had a

1001
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:57,240
feeling like you would want to get on

1002
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:04,130
yes that's how I felt at the time I know

1003
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:05,280
it's strange because people say to me

1004
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,020
weren't you fighting weren't you scared

1005
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,540
and it was the complete opposite as as

1006
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:11,640
it rose up in the air I mean I marveled

1007
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:14,220
at it it was almost like you felt love

1008
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,020
and affection for it it was just

1009
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:18,960
incredible it was so wonderful and

1010
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,000
so nice it wasn't frightening at all

1011
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,040
yeah I would like to have known more I

1012
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:25,320
must admit I was so disappointed that he

1013
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,460
disappeared

1014
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:28,260
yeah I think it would have got on board

1015
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,339
yeah I don't know what the end result

1016
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:31,079
would have been of that but um

1017
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:32,579
I would have been Keen to have found out

1018
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,780
yeah

1019
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,940
how about that and you know you

1020
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:37,740
mentioned that you think it could be

1021
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:40,200
organic you mean as in like a living

1022
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:41,579
thing

1023
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,060
yes yeah I know that's odd I mean when

1024
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,700
when you reared up in front of us it

1025
00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:48,960
looked like it was alive and I think

1026
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,420
that was because of the liquid surface

1027
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:53,700
I mean the liquor it looked like waves

1028
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,859
were going up and down all the time and

1029
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,599
the way I describe it is if you look at

1030
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:59,820
a lake at night it's got a ripple on it

1031
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:01,320
and the moon's shining on it and the

1032
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,520
moon's catching little bits of the

1033
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,560
ripples it looked like that and it made

1034
00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:06,599
it look like the whole thing was alive

1035
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,880
now obviously that wasn't

1036
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:09,839
electromagnetic effect because the

1037
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,460
silver beams on top of that were solid

1038
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,380
they weren't moving they were absolutely

1039
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,880
Rock Solid it was just a liquid

1040
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,260
underneath

1041
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,000
but because of that I think that gave it

1042
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:20,280
the impression of being um being alive

1043
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:22,020
being organic but it was clearly

1044
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:23,280
manufactured

1045
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,079
word I like to use

1046
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,760
well you know it's it's one of these

1047
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,740
things that could be both you know it

1048
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,020
could be manufactured and Alive as far

1049
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,540
as we know you know I mean there are

1050
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:39,660
other people that have reported a

1051
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,300
similar experience of thinking that what

1052
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,339
they're looking at was some type of

1053
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:47,099
living thing I've heard this I remember

1054
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,900
Denise stoner I'm trying to think of

1055
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,060
other circumstances where I've heard

1056
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,760
people say this the same thing people

1057
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,800
who have claimed to have been abducted

1058
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:58,079
and on board

1059
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,640
um some of them are saying they feel

1060
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:01,980
like it's a living thing it interacts

1061
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,160
you know like a living thing it's uh

1062
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:07,500
yeah it's yes I've heard that many times

1063
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,760
myself actually

1064
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,520
and um when when you hurt when you hear

1065
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,920
about people who try to fly in the craft

1066
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:15,780
or being taught to fly it's all done

1067
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,460
with the mind

1068
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:18,720
you know you put your hand on the

1069
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,579
control panel and think

1070
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:23,400
so are you connecting with a living the

1071
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:26,220
living craft at that point I guess this

1072
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:27,900
technology is so far advancing you know

1073
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:29,339
we're going to struggle to understand a

1074
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:30,300
bit of it

1075
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,820
yeah exactly what's going on there

1076
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,859
but yeah

1077
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:37,380
a lot of people talk about uh and I

1078
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:39,720
think I heard you mention it uh briefly

1079
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,619
is that maybe it wanted you to see it

1080
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,720
because of the lights you know I mean a

1081
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,180
lot of people have commented on this

1082
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:51,900
show over the years well uh why do they

1083
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:54,780
have lights why would they have lights

1084
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:58,440
um if they can Traverse the uh Galaxy or

1085
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,900
wherever they're coming from why would

1086
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:02,520
they need lights unless they want

1087
00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:04,020
attention

1088
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:06,380
um you know I mean it is a cure another

1089
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,050
it is yeah not personally I think the

1090
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,280
lights are a byproduct of the power

1091
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,200
system I don't think they're intentional

1092
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,240
I think obviously they can

1093
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:19,920
at times Swiss them off because they are

1094
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,200
seeing with no lights on whatsoever but

1095
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,720
more often than not they do tend to be

1096
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,400
lit up like a Christmas tree

1097
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,680
yeah now my experience and some of the

1098
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:30,839
local guys who have seen triangles we

1099
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,700
tend to have three red lights in the

1100
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,160
corners and a white light in the middle

1101
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,140
now sometimes that's reverse there's a

1102
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:39,119
red light in the middle and white lights

1103
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,680
in the corner

1104
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,480
but I've been through all the scientists

1105
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,339
in the book that people have sent in and

1106
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,740
now the colors are they were the general

1107
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:48,540
colors that you would see but other

1108
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:49,859
people have reporting that they're

1109
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:52,619
seeing red lights white green blue

1110
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:56,940
yellow orange bronze purple pink and

1111
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,520
sometimes with a white bean coming down

1112
00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:00,780
to the ground from the center of The

1113
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,740
Craft

1114
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:03,720
now I've realized until I started

1115
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:04,859
looking at all the information that was

1116
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,780
sent to me there was such a variety of

1117
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:08,880
colors being shown and like you say

1118
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:11,220
these colors um they're not hiding the

1119
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,660
crafter then they're not navigation

1120
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:14,880
lights obviously not used for that

1121
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:15,900
purpose

1122
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:18,119
but the triangles themselves as well

1123
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:19,560
I mean I've always said they were gray

1124
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:21,480
and black like ours but people have seen

1125
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:25,140
orange silver gold white blue dark brown

1126
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,720
and green it's incredible

1127
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,940
yeah and the other amazing thing is

1128
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,040
there's just so many of them you know

1129
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:34,500
I'm only looking at the UK and most of

1130
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:35,820
them are around this area and there's

1131
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,359
130 there these are not

1132
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:41,520
tr3b is coming out of that Arizona these

1133
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,500
are not

1134
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,060
man-made back engineered products you

1135
00:41:49,329 --> 00:41:46,560
just you wouldn't do that you wouldn't

1136
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:49,339
make useful

1137
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:52,500
to do with the stitches and the stealth

1138
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,540
very do you change it you know a good

1139
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:57,180
work in as you as you're going along

1140
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:01,920
so definitely not tr3bs

1141
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,160
um where do you uh can you describe like

1142
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:07,920
a really interesting sighting of someone

1143
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,910
yes

1144
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,930
I'll read this one to you for a start

1145
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,069
angle

1146
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:27,839
when you've been at a I only seen a few

1147
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:30,839
other things on the years then this

1148
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,460
one night

1149
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:34,380
he'd seen some lights in the sky with

1150
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:38,660
his daughter closer look and if they say

1151
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,920
the town

1152
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,140
my ex-partner tried to say it was Venus

1153
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:46,500
but Venus was also clearly visible and

1154
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:53,150
it was seven at the time became

1155
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,260
hysterical and said it was aliens but it

1156
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,480
was very quiet but as we were following

1157
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,280
slowly in the car into the new North

1158
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,380
Yorkshire it seemed to be getting lower

1159
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:03,720
we both reason it was maybe a helicopter

1160
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,599
but there were no strobes and no noise

1161
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,640
um after driving down

1162
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,980
down the track to the river it was there

1163
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,900
it was probably 300 feet above the

1164
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,819
ground it was huge at least a thousand

1165
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:17,220
feet across the lights at the apices

1166
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,839
were dim yellow orange and there was a

1167
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,460
dimmer orange light in the body towards

1168
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,800
the back I got out of the car and stood

1169
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:25,140
staring at the triangle there was total

1170
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:26,940
silence okay could no longer hear the

1171
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:28,859
traffic from the nearby

1172
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:32,400
A1 Motorway the body was blacked out the

1173
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,960
stars and I could see stars around it

1174
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:36,000
and also nearby farmhouse on the Hill

1175
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,099
South of the river it also seemed to

1176
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,020
block out the breeze I don't know

1177
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,119
whether I got closer to it or it to me

1178
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:44,400
but I seemed right underneath it I could

1179
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,900
see black channels etched into the

1180
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,000
underside of it which you have to now

1181
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,760
made me think they're a docket mechanism

1182
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:52,319
I can't explain how I've never told

1183
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:53,880
anybody until now but it seemed to be

1184
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,339
just a few feet above me it seemed to be

1185
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,380
made of slate or graphite material very

1186
00:44:02,089 --> 00:44:00,660
dark gray and a smooth matte texture I

1187
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:02,099
could feel the presence in my whole body

1188
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:04,380
and the dental implant was vibrating in

1189
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,300
my mouth I could see the channels

1190
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,680
covered the underside of The Craft

1191
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,079
they're probably six feet across and of

1192
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,240
a similar depth I raised my hands and

1193
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:13,920
touched part of the Craft's body between

1194
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,800
the channels I was terrified and even

1195
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,480
thought it could harm me but did it

1196
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,819
anyway to push my fingers over it and

1197
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:22,740
then put my entire Palm on it it felt

1198
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,540
like a hard kitchen worktop with a matte

1199
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:26,520
finish but was not but it was not cold

1200
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,500
the next thing I remember is my daughter

1201
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,599
shouting to me to come back to the car

1202
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:33,000
she hadn't wanted to get out

1203
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:34,980
so that's incredible that is a thousand

1204
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,220
feet size triangle coming down so close

1205
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,319
to a guy that he could touch it touch

1206
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:42,119
the underneath of it absolutely

1207
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:43,079
incredible

1208
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,760
there's some fantastic stories in here

1209
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,500
you want me to read you another one

1210
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,599
another one I find fantastic

1211
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:52,079
uh yeah yeah or you can you can do it in

1212
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:54,780
like in a in a nutshell but this is uh

1213
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,240
he's one of the very few people I mean

1214
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,000
Jen peniston over there you know during

1215
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,880
renderson Forest claims that he touched

1216
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,680
the craft but there's very few people

1217
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,079
that actually have actually said that

1218
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,240
they've been able to do that

1219
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:10,920
um before you move on from this

1220
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:13,980
particular guy person

1221
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,740
um did he have any after effects after

1222
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,960
touching it in any type of way

1223
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,599
uh not the least told me about no no

1224
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,760
yeah everything seemed to be fine yeah

1225
00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:25,500
yeah

1226
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,460
um

1227
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,099
yeah no no side effects no no problems

1228
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:30,480
same with the cells actually we didn't

1229
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,900
seem to have any uh any radiation Burns

1230
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,520
or anything like that from our own close

1231
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,859
encounter no side effects apart from me

1232
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,839
being totally obsessed with this object

1233
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:42,480
that was only side effect really

1234
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,140
hmm that's an interesting one for sure

1235
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,140
yeah there is another encounter in the

1236
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,240
book where um a guy

1237
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:53,520
had an encounter with a triangle there

1238
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,020
was two of them him and his friend but

1239
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,839
he actually got that close to it he said

1240
00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:59,760
you could see the liquid on the surface

1241
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:02,099
and he put his hand inside the liquid he

1242
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,960
said it felt like a tin of paint

1243
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:05,640
as soon as he put his hand inside the

1244
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,319
liquid of The Craft it was around the

1245
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,359
nose area I believe it says it was a

1246
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:11,040
Flash and a bang and always flashing it

1247
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,319
had gone and then they saw three lights

1248
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,060
in the Triangle flying away from them

1249
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,640
but this was a triangle that was sitting

1250
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:19,800
on them in the lay-by

1251
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,440
on the side of the road quite an amazing

1252
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:24,119
experience

1253
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:26,040
yeah it's quite in-depth report on that

1254
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,660
one that's in the back of the ball

1255
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,720
so that's that's two people in the book

1256
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:32,160
that have actually touched the triangles

1257
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,220
and uh same thing

1258
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,980
same question with this person

1259
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:39,900
um I can't believe actually put his hand

1260
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,760
right in that uh yeah what uh

1261
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:47,040
do you also ask these people if they

1262
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:48,839
noticed any missing time or anything

1263
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,099
like that

1264
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,200
I mean do you have any of those cases

1265
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,140
where people are missing time

1266
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:57,839
um yes there's quite a few of the way

1267
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,200
where people missed time not always a a

1268
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,640
lot of time but

1269
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:05,520
you know 45 minutes to an hour

1270
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,720
um it was a guy a guy I met in my local

1271
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,339
town in Hinckley that somebody put me in

1272
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:13,500
touch with uh he came home on his

1273
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,940
motorbike one night

1274
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,560
and he was coming up was called Coventry

1275
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:19,140
Road in Hinckley and he saw a large

1276
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:21,060
triangle he said initially he said it

1277
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,680
was the size of a football pitch and he

1278
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:24,300
changed his mind into the next one and a

1279
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,619
half times the size of a football pitch

1280
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:27,839
he said it was absolutely massive and it

1281
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:30,119
floated over the what we call Transco

1282
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,680
which is um a gas control center in

1283
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,359
Hinckley but he said has it passed over

1284
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:38,339
his motorbike stopped to stop working

1285
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,260
and he just looked up and watched his

1286
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:43,140
triangle slowly very slowly come over

1287
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:47,640
the town and and just disappear so his

1288
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:50,460
motorbike started up again it went home

1289
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,140
and he'd lost one and a half hours time

1290
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:54,060
he'd left his girlfriend's house in the

1291
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,260
meeting he knows what time he left he

1292
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,000
knows what time he got home

1293
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,980
and he to this day he doesn't know what

1294
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,720
I'm doing he's one and a half hours

1295
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,400
and that's saying that's one of the

1296
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,520
local guys one of the local Witnesses

1297
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,200
um yeah I'll just quickly let me do

1298
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:09,119
another one that I found interesting

1299
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,380
that's in the book

1300
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,960
this is um from a girl who got in touch

1301
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,819
with me and she was ever so excited for

1302
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,680
me about it

1303
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:18,839
um well my friend was three years older

1304
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,280
than me and we were unemployed at the

1305
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,079
time we decided to go and visit dad's

1306
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,540
property a 10 to 15 minute walk away and

1307
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,400
we arrived at eight till nine pm at

1308
00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,440
night the Harris had their football

1309
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,359
pitch just beyond the back garden and

1310
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:32,460
wild space surrounding it the weather

1311
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,140
had been dry all day

1312
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:36,000
when we came to leave late that night we

1313
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,560
glanced over to the football pitch by

1314
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:38,640
the entrance

1315
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:41,160
we both spotted the mist and a pyramid

1316
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,859
so we decided to go and investigate the

1317
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,780
pyramid object was the size of a council

1318
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:48,240
house it did not quite reach the ground

1319
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:49,859
but hovering just above the ground about

1320
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,900
a football two in high

1321
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:53,400
off the ground foot or two off the

1322
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:54,119
ground

1323
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,800
the pyramid looked to be made of glass

1324
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,960
and was transparent I could see swirls

1325
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:00,240
of colored gas inside yellow blue green

1326
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,099
in fact like a rainbow

1327
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:04,079
as they approached the pyramid it backed

1328
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:06,060
away from them but when they backed away

1329
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:07,500
the pyramid returned to its original

1330
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,700
position

1331
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:11,760
the craft became then became solid in

1332
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,740
fact Lindsay described it as metallic

1333
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,900
with Egyptian hieroglyphs on all sides

1334
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,000
one of these hieroglyphs was a man with

1335
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:21,119
a bird bird's head carrying along spear

1336
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,859
Lindsay and her friend became nervous

1337
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,720
and decided to go home where they'd be

1338
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,520
late believe they lost half to three

1339
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,440
quarters of now in time

1340
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,720
Lindsay's friend [\h__\h] up coming back

1341
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,099
to the football pitch but the pyramid

1342
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:37,990
the connections between that and

1343
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,960
hieroglyphs from ancient Egypt I thought

1344
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,760
that was absolutely incredible I've

1345
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,960
never heard of anything like that before

1346
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:45,359
but that's tying in ancient history with

1347
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,839
modern ufology it's fantastic

1348
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:51,839
that really is that's a amazing amazing

1349
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:56,160
one and I I also have seen a case where

1350
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:57,660
you know you're talking about you you

1351
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,839
have done some talks about what you saw

1352
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,160
and you bring your model with you and

1353
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,800
all that and but I've seen this that

1354
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,200
people come up from the audience a lot

1355
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,240
of times that's where you hear some

1356
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:11,880
amazing Stories and people just want you

1357
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:14,339
to they want you to listen that's that's

1358
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,500
what they want they want they want to be

1359
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,619
heard uh about what they want twice

1360
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:21,420
it's a type of counseling and letting

1361
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:22,920
people talk to you let them talk and

1362
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:24,359
they enjoy talking to you because they

1363
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:26,040
know that you've seen I've had a lot of

1364
00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:27,720
people come up to me after conferences

1365
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,119
and talk to me I remember one old guy he

1366
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:32,460
must have been in his 80s maybe even

1367
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,460
quite older and he said um he was out

1368
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,900
fishing something like and this craft

1369
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,099
came down

1370
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,380
and it got a glass Dome on the front you

1371
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,660
could see this alien inside it and he

1372
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,359
said really close and this alien opened

1373
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,000
his mouth and put a big tongue out he

1374
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:49,440
said absolutely frighten him to death

1375
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:51,660
and then it flew away I mean it was such

1376
00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:59,510
yeah so that it's kind of funny I I

1377
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,040
think some of the more interesting ones

1378
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,800
were almost like the more believable

1379
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:07,319
ones are very odd like that you know I

1380
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,680
mean they just make no sometimes when

1381
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,500
they make even less sense they seem even

1382
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:16,200
more plausible in a way because

1383
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:20,040
it's just it's such a mystery anyway

1384
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,380
the whole thing

1385
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,960
that's why why would

1386
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:27,359
make all sort of fantastic stories to be

1387
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:28,859
really cool you wouldn't you know I'm

1388
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:30,119
putting myself out here to be really

1389
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:32,220
cool and I'm sure I will be but I know

1390
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,720
what I saw that night

1391
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,359
and one thing I know is when you tell

1392
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,700
the truth the truth makes you strong so

1393
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,619
you know this is all real that's going

1394
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,720
on and like you say people who talk to

1395
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,579
me with such strange stories I've got to

1396
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,960
believe them if I expect them to believe

1397
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,280
what I've seen and what I've been

1398
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,319
through then I believe what they're

1399
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,400
telling me

1400
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:52,440
I mean the girl who's seen the Egyptian

1401
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,660
hieroglyphs she's one of those who had

1402
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,359
visitations when she was younger so

1403
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,559
that's in the book as well she's had

1404
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,200
paranormal experiences prior to the UFO

1405
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:07,670
yeah yeah it's um do you have any uh

1406
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:10,920
from this point on do you plan on uh

1407
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:14,040
writing anything else or is this uh I

1408
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:16,140
mean this is what I see happens a lot

1409
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:18,059
and tell me if this is happening to you

1410
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,579
you go out there you talk and all of a

1411
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:23,099
sudden you have you have a book done the

1412
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,780
book gets out there I know your book is

1413
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:27,180
about to get out there but

1414
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,579
um what could happen possibly is you'll

1415
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:32,280
be contacted by other people and you'll

1416
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,200
get more and more information

1417
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,260
and so instead of possibility and I know

1418
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,119
you this book is about ready to come out

1419
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,940
but is that a thought uh would you think

1420
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,920
about ever writing another one or is

1421
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:45,540
this too much of a project

1422
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,640
no that's a good question that yeah it's

1423
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,619
taken me 24 years I guess to get going

1424
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,599
to write in this one and I'm not really

1425
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:53,640
an author as such and I can't believe

1426
00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:56,760
I've actually sat down and done this

1427
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,660
um

1428
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,940
and I'd said did say at the time when I

1429
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,980
wrote it I'd never do another one again

1430
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:03,119
because I haven't got any more

1431
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:04,859
information and I've only had the one on

1432
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:07,319
site in but exactly as you you've said

1433
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,940
the book is already coming out and

1434
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:10,859
people are already getting in touch with

1435
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:12,660
their sightings

1436
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,819
so I've only had two or three at the

1437
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:16,680
moment because it's only in its infancy

1438
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,300
but I have

1439
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,640
started collecting those and everybody

1440
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:22,079
now who writes in and tells me about

1441
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,940
their experience I I think me building

1442
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,440
up a second ball

1443
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,240
because it's such a fascinating subject

1444
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:29,760
and the more we do this the more we're

1445
00:53:34,609 --> 00:53:32,040
going to learn all of us you know about

1446
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:34,619
the the movements the manufacturer the

1447
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:37,079
lights colors Etc there's a lot to be

1448
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,819
gained from all of this

1449
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,500
well we're at the end of the show

1450
00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:42,000
already I want to thank you very much

1451
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:44,099
that was very interesting

1452
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:45,720
it goes so quickly doesn't it once you

1453
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:48,180
start chatting guys you bet all right

1454
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,380
you take care

1455
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,240
okay so the book is actually on sale now

1456
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:55,870
okay

1457
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,900
efficiently it's at the end of the month

1458
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,760
but uh she's not bad at the moment so

1459
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:01,680
thank you for doing Martin

1460
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,780
thank you and I'll link your book to

1461
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:05,880
this show in the show notes along with

1462
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:09,000
all the pictures thank you so much all

1463
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:09,660
right

1464
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,980
back next week with Katie cook and

1465
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:15,760
remember to keep your eyes to the sky